New Paypal Agreement Flags Obscene

2003 February 20
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by May Ling Su

Yup, everytime something comes up that is related to being an adult webmistress, I turn to the Guru of Gif, Andy Dunn, of Sexswap Trix for guidance and comfort. Check out my latest email to him, posted in his weekly newsletter:

Hello, Andy. I’m a little concerned about the implications of the New Paypal User Agreement. I’ve compared the new PayPal agreement to the old one, and a big flag for me is the word “obscene” on the new agreement. Since “obscenity” is such a subjective word, and what is considered “obscene” varies from state to state, the appearance of this word in the new Paypal agreement makes me feel a little bit uneasy.

My fears about this new development are based on ebay’s adult content history. I remember when ebay had the adult audiences category pretty openly, with only an age disclaimer. I also remember an email they sent me around the year 2000, when they said they were getting rid of adult auctions altogether, and that my account was being closed down. Then they changed their mind and re-opened the adult audiences category, with a more stringent age filter, and lots of (almost impossible) rules to comply with.

Get this, I knew I wasn’t supposed to have photographs that depict sexual acts, or even text that depict sexual acts on my ebay ads. Photos of boobs are okay, though… but you know mine still haven’t grown yet. So I posted an ad with a photo of me, fully dressed in a really short miniskirt and a t-shirt. Not allowed to write about what happens in the video, or post photo captures of the video itself, I had to express the content of the video somehow so that bidders know what they’re in for. So I put the letters “XXX” on the photo and my title said “hardcore.” No dice. They shut my auction down for the letters “XXX” and the word “hardcore.”

So you see my concern about this new Paypal user agreement. I’ve got really nasty videos on a Paypal shopping cart at MaysVideos.com – What is obscene? Is it based on my community standards or my customers’? Who decides what’s obscene? How is Paypal going to enforce this? I think this is a legitimate concern, and hopefully you and other webmasters can make me feel better about keeping Paypal. I really like Paypal, so I’d hate to lose it.

Andy writes: “I personally think this is an escape claus that PayPal wants to have to get out of trouble if they see fit. I think they want to straddle the fence and have porn, but if things get funny with the fed, they want to be able to axe the accounts and not get sued senseless. Time will tell where this all goes. It is shocking how it is 2003 and we still fear sex and nudity.”

7 Responses leave one →
  1. Peter permalink
    February 23, 2003

    Hi May Ling Su,

    I got the video and it is so hotttt!!!!!!!! You did a great job….I love it!! Thank you so much for doing it. Take care and thanx again.

  2. Mikael and Tai in Bangkok permalink
    March 7, 2003

    Hi MayLingSu -

    My girlfriend and I came across your web site tonight and got excited from your stories! We can relate to you completely. We have never done an adult web site and are looking to get started. At first we just want to sell her panties online through EBANNED (that is how we discovered your site). Our major issue is accepting credit card payments. We are located in SE Asia and PayPal does not work from our country :-( So we are trying to find alternatives for processing CC on an adult auction or ecommerce site. Would love your help in any way!!

  3. March 7, 2003

    Hello, Mikael and Tai. I’ve searched on google for a credit card processing service that accepts merchants from Thailand but the only ones I’ve found will not provide service for adult-oriented websites.

    Many people on ebay and ebanned sell from all over the world accepting international money orders. It’ll take a longer time to make business transactions, but you can get started that way, and by the time Paypal goes global (or another similar service comes up in SE Asia) you would have already gotten your brand/name out there and have earned repeat customers and fans.

    How about beginning with a free website? You may link to your ebay or ebanned about me page, post a few sexy photos or videos, then make extra money by joining other websites’ affiliate programs.

    This is a very exciting time. Many new things are created every day. It was very nice to hear from you – keep in touch! Let me know when you’ve got your website up and I will link to it! Good luck!

  4. Larry permalink
    March 7, 2003

    Hey May Ling,
    Finally managed to get on your site to read your diary entries lol i’ve been having major problems lately getting on sites and such.. not sure if its AOL or my computer.. probably a combo of both since my comp is 4 years old and AOL’s software seems to be unstable lately… anyways about PayPal…. i know what you mean.. i knew ebay would make changes that we wouldnt be happy about… there just going to turn it into Billpoint.. and we all remember how much we hated that service LoL Anyways just wanted to let ya know there are other sites that you can change over to or use as well as Pay pal.. just in case they totally stop letting payments for a porn site…. ive heard they already stop letting people Pay through PayPal for gambling sites… so might be a matter of time before they do same to porn sites… so anyways my 2 suggestions are ProPay.com and Yahoo’s own Pay service.. as far as i know these 2 services dont restrict porn site payments…. take a look and let me know what you think of ProPay.com … they have been around for awhile(about 3 years or so) and are reputable… anyways other then that… i just found out i got a 100% on my last exam (diamond essentials) …. and earned my A.J.P (Accredited Jewelry Professional) diploma … i already have 2 interviews coming up with Sak’s 5th Avenue and Fortunoff’s … so hopefully i will nail one or both… and take the best offer…. also i wanted to ask you on advice on starting a porn site.. not a paysite but a free site.. ive been readin up on it.. any ideas let me know.. i would probably do it in my spare time and just for extra income cause i know free sites dont generate that much money.. around $20,000 or so per year.. which is ok with me…. I would probably make it a directory of sites or something… and if u like I would include a banner to ur site on the homepage for free.. anyways just a idea for now.. i probably wouldnt finish it for months or so… anyways write back soon…

  5. March 7, 2003

    Hey, Larry. Congratulations, that sounds like you’re pretty awesome at what you do. You’ll make many women happy through your work! ;-D Thanks for the info on alternatives to Paypal. I’ll check them out.

    What you mentioned above is the simplest way to have an adult site. Build a free site that is basically a directory or list of porn sites that you are affiliated with. It’s pretty low maintenance, and a good way to make some extra cash.

  6. March 31, 2003

    I knew it! Last week PayPal dropped the bomb. No more adult content or video sales. There’s a little loophole though, I can keep my videos on an ebay shopping cart, with no descriptions, just titles of the videos. Buyers need to visit http://www.MaysVideos.com for descriptions and photos. There are other options, but I’ll have to study it and decide which takes the least cut from my sales, and also the least effort to make the change. Hey, adult content porn sluts like me have to stay on our toes.

  7. na na permalink
    April 3, 2003

    GOT THE VIDEO. Thanks, absolutely fantastic… Great video, great service. My wife and I are so tired of the usual crap done by the “professionals”, who seem either bored or simply faking it.

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